Antimicrobial Resistance: Insights from Dr. Michelle Kromm

In this episode of Coffee in the Barn, Dr. Michelle Kromm, a board-certified poultry veterinarian and animal health expert, shares her insights on antimicrobial resistance (AMR) and the essential role of responsible antibiotic use within animal agriculture. As AMR continues to impact human, animal, and environmental health under the One Health framework, Dr. Kromm emphasizes the interconnectedness of these areas and the proactive steps producers take to prevent disease, uphold animal welfare, and foster consumer confidence in food safety. Throughout the conversation, she highlights the importance of transparency in antibiotic decision-making and the need for innovative diagnostics to support effective treatment outcomes. Dr. Kromm’s insights reveal the depth of commitment within animal agriculture to manage antibiotic use responsibly and minimize resistance risks. 

Highlights from the Conversation: 

• Proactive Disease Prevention 
  Dr. Kromm explains that producers dedicate 99% of their resources to preventing disease, employing biosecurity, vaccinations, and animal comfort measures to ensure animal well-being. 
• Data-Driven Decisions in Antibiotic Use 
  She emphasizes the importance of transparency in antibiotic decision-making, focusing on selecting the right antibiotic to match each case and reduce resistance. 
• One Health and Public Trust 
  Dr. Kromm underscores AMR’s impact across human, animal, and environmental health, advocating for transparent practices that foster consumer trust in food safety. 
• Innovative Diagnostics for Responsible Care 
  Dr. Kromm highlights the need for advanced diagnostic tools to support timely treatment decisions, improving outcomes for animals and minimizing resistance risks. 
• Balancing Treatment and Resistance 
  While preventing disease is a priority, Dr. Kromm explains the importance of selecting the right antibiotic for specific infections when treatment is necessary, balancing effective outcomes with the need to minimize resistance. 
• Role of Probiotics and Prebiotics in Animal Health 
  As part of a preventative health strategy, Dr. Kromm discusses the growing importance of probiotics and prebiotics in supporting animal health. These supplements play a crucial role in bolstering immunity and promoting a healthy gut microbiome, reducing the need for antibiotics. 

Tune into this episode to gain valuable insights into the future of animal health, responsible antibiotic use, and the industry’s commitment to ensuring food safety through proactive care and transparency. 

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Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction and Background
• 4:15 Understanding Antimicrobial Resistance (AMR) and Stewardship
• 9:20 Producer Responsibilities and Strategies
• 21:51 Public Health, Pet Care, and Future Innovations

Transcript

Morgan Hart 
0:00:00 
Welcome to this week's episode of Coffee in the Barn. This week we have Kourtney Talkington with us. She is a mother of four, fifth generation, rooted in agriculture and a mindful eating advocate. She is empowering women to save her life and connect deeply by embracing joy, letting go of guilt and listening to their body. I know she is currently living in Kansas, correct?  

Kourtney Talkington 

Yep, born and raised, like for the last 100 years.  

Morgan Hart 

Well, welcome. Welcome to Coffee in the Barn this week. 

Courtney Talkington 
0:00:38 
Thank you. Today, my coffee is fueled by Casey's, so.  

Morgan Hart 

So, I know we met a couple weeks ago actually in one of Casey Bowles's mind empowering groups bringing like-minded individuals together just to kind of talk about agriculture topics and just kind of share our stories. And I was really captivated by Kourtney and what, you know, she's kind kind of had to overcome as a working mother and just kind of the challenges that you've had to go through 

Morgan Hart 
0:01:21 
carving out your career and whatnot. And so could you share a little bit with our audience kind of your background and what your business ventures look like today and life today for you? 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:01:35 
Yes, I can. OK. So actually, the reason I know Casey is through Emily Reuschel. So shout out to Emily. She has the podcast Gather in Growth and I just love her podcast. But my name is Kourtney Talkington. 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:01:50 
I grew up in rural western Kansas. I'm a mother of four, two boys and two girls. So I guess the first thing I'll start with is I was always overweight as a kid and really I was always a very emotional child and wore my emotions on my sleeve. I got to high school and I decided, not even for myself, it wasn't even about my health, but just because of outside pressures of everyone around me around me and what society online was telling me that I needed to look like, I just started to lose 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:02:30 
weight and it was in a very unhealthy way. But at that point, eating disorders were not very, like, talked about, and it was kind of even more isolating because I did live in a rural area. And so some of those topics were kind of taboo. So I kept everything to myself. I feel like some adults did acknowledge what was going on but they just didn't know how to approach me about it and, honestly, at the age of 16, I probably would not have listened to them. So I ultimately ended up with an eating disorder and…  I just decided I can no longer live this way. 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:03:14 
I kept missing out on memories with my friends and my family because I was so scared to go to Christmas dinner because I was afraid of all of the food there. And that is not what food is about. So I just want to hug my 16 year old self right now 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:03:35 
because I can never get those memories back. And honestly, it's just very emotional for me to talk about. But moving forward, I got pregnant at age 19 right after I graduated high school with my now husband. And so we made everything work out, but I honestly believe that everything that has happened to me has happened for a reason. 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:04:04 
Because my son… just taking a break for a year, I had a full ride to Kansas State University here in Kansas. And I was going down this career path, and I knew what I wanted. I always knew what I wanted to do. And just having that pause in my life gave me the clarity I needed that I knew I did not need to go into that degree. So I shifted and pivoted 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:04:30 
and went into nutrition, which at that point I was doing it for, I wouldn't say selfish reasons, but more just to help myself out and learn for my own needs, not people around me. But as I've grown and gotten older, I've definitely shifted and it's more about everyone else now and not so much myself. I've grown a lot as an individual, so I am more in tune with what my body needs, but it's helping people slow down and take the time to listen to themselves is ultimately what 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:05:09 
my mission is now.  

Morgan Hart 

Well, and I think just, you know, you've had four kids. I'm pregnant with my third, soon to be having him or her eventually within the next couple of weeks. Um, but you learn prior to having kids, I was involved in endurance, high endurance sports, but like you learn how to listen to your body differently when you become pregnant. 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:05:35 
You're forced to slow down. It forces you to be graceful or like to step back and pause. You don't get to just do what you want anymore. You have to consider everyone around you, not just yourself.  

Morgan Hart 

And then when it comes to feeding your kids, that's a whole nother conversation.  

Kourtney Talkington 

Oh, 100%. All of them are so different.  

Morgan Hart 

And making sure that you're also fueling yourself as a mom and making sure that you're getting what you need as well as servicing the lunch menu of the always revolving… 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:06:17 
More decisions for us to make.  

Morgan Hart 

I tried explaining that to my husband the other day of like, I need to meal prep or like at least have a two week calendar of like, this is the food that's in the fridge. This is what we can make this week. Because I don't want to have to think about it come five o'clock after working all day. 

Morgan Hart 
0:06:40 
And then you pick up the kids and everyone's hungry by, you know, 4:35. 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:06:45 
And everybody's like, Mom, feed me, Mom, feed me, Mom, feed me. And then you're like, but I haven't started yet. Yeah, and then they end up eating the whole house before you even get supper made.  

Morgan Hart 

Yes! Exactly, exactly. Could you share a little bit more on what… so I know you took a break from Kansas state for a year and then you did go back and finish your uh nutrition degree? 

Kourtney Talkington 

Yes, so I actually have a dual bachelor's degree. One is in nutrition and health and one is in dietetics. So after I finished that program, I think I did it in six years, but that was adding 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:07:26 
two more children in the mix. So I graduated with the three children at that point, which COVID also slowed me down a little bit just because of the stress. And then we also added our third child during COVID. So it was just a whole new learning experience for me at that point, which I don't know who says that you have it all figured out 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:07:46 
when you have children, but that is not true, because the third one was a whole new whirlwind for me, which I don't think it was just her. I think it was also just the situation of when we had her. So after I graduated, I had to come up with an internship. And so all of the people that live in like big cities 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:08:07 
have a lot of options for in-person internships. But we had moved to the farm in 2021 after my grandpa had passed away from cancer. And so I was like, we literally just moved. I'm not uprooting my entire family to go move for an internship. 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:08:25 
If not, I guess it's just not meant for me. But I kept going and so I started researching and I found an internship that was virtual, but I had to build it all by myself. So it was all on me to find people that would be willing to be my preceptors 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:08:42 
or my teachers for so many months. So we have to have 1,000 hours to sit for our exam. And so I built my own internship. One was with a local lettuce farm that serves Western Kansas, which was an awesome experience for me 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:09:00 
because of course I've always seen like wheat and Milo grown, but they grow all of their lettuce in a greenhouse and that was just an eye-opening experience for me, like the cost of it and how they make their money and how they have to work with dieticians or the USDA to like make sure their facilities are clean and up to code and making sure like even for transporting and things to schools and all of that it was just very eye 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:09:28 
opening for me. I also did part of my internship with the Dirt Road Dietician out of Oklahoma which was completely virtual. And then I did one at my son's school district, which was a lot of fun because I got to see my son every day as well as get to know the kids in the school district a lot more. So now, even a few years later, they still come up and are like, ‘Hi’, and come chat with me. And they'll be like, ‘You're the snack lady’, because I also did an interactive snack with a book reading for my son's class while I was there. So I think I did that once a month for the entire year and they just loved it. Also, with the Dirt Road Dietitian. 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:10:12 
I got to go to Sioux Falls, South Dakota with her to go see a new program that was coming out at that point and, with the beef council, I believe but I got to meet Olympic athletes. And so I don't know where in my head as a teenager, I thought that I needed to get out of the rural setting to do awesome things, but that was a complete lie. I feel like if you put yourself out there, 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:10:41 
even when you live rurally, you can find some really cool experiences. So even the girls that were in California that I had my internship with were like shocked with the experiences I got out of the internship with living out in the middle of nowhere. They're like, ‘That is way cooler than the internship experience I got.’. 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:11:03 
So I was just pretty proud of myself and like putting myself out there and looking for cool experiences and I said yes, and they came. And it was an amazing experience. But I also figured out, I think it was about a little over halfway with my internship, I found out I was pregnant with our fourth. 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:11:26 
So a change of plans, and it slowed me down. But I think ultimately, it was just another thing in my journey to slow me down just a little bit more. Because this year for me has been working on me as a person and like my personal growth. And I kind of felt like I lost myself in motherhood a little bit. And especially after getting out of school, like, I feel most people have that journey when they're like alone and they get out of school and they're like, 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:11:57 
‘Well, what do I do with my life now?’. Well, I had three kids going to be four and my husband and I was like, ‘Well, what do I do now?’. But like I had all this other stuff to worry about too. So I feel like I kind of lost myself. So getting that year to myself really gave me some clarity and being able to like sit back and say, ‘Kourtney, what do you want?’. 

Morgan Hart 
0:12:19 
And you kind of have came up with your answer, right? 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:12:26 
Yes. 

Morgan Hart 
0:12:27 
What does that look like? 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:12:29 
So I am starting a group coaching program for women during the holidays called Savor the Season: a Joyful Approach to Food. And we will, or the women that I will be coaching will get every other week group calls as well as a exclusive Instagram group for us to chat 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:12:48 
for some extra support over the holidays because honestly sometimes our friends and family that are local to us just do not understand what we're going through. I did a poll the other day on Instagram on what about the holidays makes you stress out when food is around and most people said family or friend triggers which I guess I'm not shocked but I kind of was a little bit. So I feel like just having that outside group of people to understand the things that you're going through will would 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:13:23 
really help women just feel better and get rid of the shame and guilt that comes with it because you shouldn't be feeling that way. Food is about connection and celebration and being present with your family. You don't want to be focusing on, ‘Oh, my aunt said I can't have that piece of pie because I look like I've gained 20 pounds.’. So just growing and just feeling better 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:13:49 
and having somebody there to hold your hand. 

Morgan Hart 
0:13:51 
And just having the positive relationship with food. 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:13:55 
Yes, I feel like as a society, we have taken the emotion out of food and just focus on the nutritional value and that is not all that it is. For years and generations, even in the agriculture space, food has been used to celebrate and bring joy to occasions. So like harvest time, my favorite memories as a kid was going out in the field and going out and seeing the guys and experiencing 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:14:23 
wheat harvest or milo harvest. It brought us together, you built memories. And honestly, I think that's what my grandpa looked forward to the most was to see the grandkids out in the wheat field and being able to share those memories and the times with us. And it probably brought him back to his childhood, which is all about emotion and what food brings to us. 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:14:42 
Because honestly, I would love to have a slice of my grandma's pie right now, and it would bring me back so many memories. 

Morgan Hart 
0:14:50 
Most definitely, and I think, you know, 

Morgan Hart 
0:14:53 
you've had your own challenges, you know, growing up on how you viewed food and whatnot. And I always, as an athlete growing up, you kind of, they don't really teach you in school what you actually need to eat properly and fuel your body. And I think, you know, I'm a nutritionist in the swine space, but a lot of just the nutritional basics correlate between animal 

Morgan Hart 
0:15:28 
agriculture and human nutrition. And just, you know, these are the main components and this is actually how your body like breaks things down and utilizes them and, you know, what you actually need to function. 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:15:50 
Yes, and that is what I learned in school. I really, I love school and I learned so much about the nutritional value of things and how your body utilizes them. And yes, that is so very important. But when it comes to like eating disorders or when people have a hard time with body image, a lot of things are emotional based. 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:16:16 
And like, we are not taught that. We are not taught the emotional side of food. And if we can shift our mindset around that, it opens up a whole new journey for you. Or like, that's what I want to help these women with on this journey is hopefully finding one thing 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:16:36 
if they don't even know what it is. Because sometimes we don't know what our feelings are, but hopefully being able to pinpoint one thing that those women can write down and let go so they can move on and move on with their journey. Because even acknowledging one thing shifts everything to a whole new 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:16:53 
mindset. Just that one thing. 

Morgan Hart 
0:16:56 
Just that, yeah, just taking one step forward. How many people are in your coaching class? 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:17:03 
So it actually launches November 1st. So I'm currently having it open and signing up. It's November 1st through December 27th. And you do not have to be on every call. That is just extra support for you. And I like to say that I like to set intentions and not goals because intentions are from within and intentions, it's not like a hard set thing. 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:17:28 
You can work on it. It doesn't have to be all or nothing. It can just be something little, which I feel like as moms, we put ourselves up on this pedestal that it has to be all or nothing. It can't be 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:17:39 
something small. It's not something we can work on. But that is not true at all. And honestly, most of the times, the things that we're thinking in our head are not even true. And we have to just learn to step back and acknowledge that. Because honestly, the first thing when it comes to like healing your journey with food is in acknowledging your feelings, which I know a lot of us don't like to do, but that is what the first step is, is feeling the yuck to move on and get better. 

Morgan Hart 
0:18:12 
Most definitely. How are you changing, so like as a mom, how are you changing how you talk about food with your kids? 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:18:20 
I try to use certain times as a lesson. And so one thing for me is my kids are now getting to the age where we are getting to sports, which is a whole new thing. I'm not in the little toddler stage. Like I do have a toddler, but I also have older kids. And so we're running around for practices 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:18:42 
and have to figure out what or how we're getting dinner in without having to go utilize fast food. Yes, my kids eat McDonald's, but not very often. But we try to find ways to navigate that. And so one of the things I like to do is so that we can be present and have spend time together is I will pack some sort of picnic or picnic dinner or something. And even if like one kid has to be somewhere and then another kid has to be somewhere else, instead of shuffling everyone home, because I feel like we all know how many times we go into town a day. So to eliminate that, I try to pack a lunch or dinner and have it in the back of the car 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:19:25 
and I just pop the hood of my SUV and we sit and have a picnic in the back of the SUV and we get to share things about our day instead of hustling them back out to the house and having 10 minutes to ourselves, I try to be able to be present and share those conversations 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:19:44 
because those are the things your kids are going to talk about when they're older. I remember when mom took us to the park during practices and we just had a picnic and talked about the day. Or like, and you're getting your kids outside so they're going, they're probably going to go play at the park after. So it's not only about sharing that time together, but it also is going and getting them moving and going and having fun with their siblings. I also we do pizza on the trampoline 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:20:14 
nights. So we'll go have a picnic on the trampoline as a family. And then after usually the kids will go jump on the trampoline? Like they just love it. And it's fun to see their faces light up. 

Morgan Hart 
0:20:31 
And then the mess is outside and not in your house.  

Kourtney Talkington 

Yes, that too. 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:20:34 
That definitely a lot less cleanup. Uh, another thing we've been doing is for now, when Kansas gets super cold, we probably won't do it anymore, but we've been utilizing the fire pit a lot and going out and doing s'mores and roasted hot dogs on the fire and just using our ranger as a table or like a buffet table and the kids just come eat and grab whatever they want and it is a lot of fun and it's honestly building memories with them. That is what 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:21:05 
food is about. Food has always been the center of celebration throughout the lifespan because what is the center of funerals? We usually have lots of food. What is the center of birthday parties or card nights? Food, like getting together, food has always been emotion based, but I feel like just as a society, 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:21:26 
we've kind of shifted away from that. So I really want to help families or help women slow down and acknowledge those things because I think the biggest eye-opening experience for me was when I studied abroad in Italy. And that was a life changing experience for me. So as a 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:21:44 
online student at K State, and a mother of two at that point, I decided I've always wanted to study abroad. Like I wanted to in high school, but I kind of had a limiting belief around it that, well, I'm a mom now and I'm married, and nobody wants to, or like I'm not a traditional college student, nobody's gonna talk to me or and I'm not gonna make any friends on this experience so why would I do it? But one day I was just like I'm gonna do it. I'm 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:22:16 
going to put myself out there and I'm going to do it. And so I applied for a nationwide scholarship called the Gilman Scholarship and got selected out of thousands of applicants to get a $2,500 scholarship to go towards my travel. So my plane ticket was free to go, but I went to Italy for four weeks, technically five. 

Morgan Hart 
0:22:37 
And what did you do there? 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:22:38 
So I studied, I had a food and wine class, which is funny now, but I honestly didn't drink any wine before I went to Italy. I believe I was 23 when I went, but I really hadn't tried wine at that point, but I signed up for a food and wine class because the director of that class actually used to be the director 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:23:04 
of the dietetics program at K-State a long time ago, and she had retired, and that was what she did to stay teaching at K-State, was to go study abroad every year with students. 

Morgan Hart 
0:23:14 
Oh, that's awesome. 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:23:15 
And go teach a class. So she would get to go every summer to go to Italy. So I got her to, and she is honestly one of the best mentors I've ever had. And she told me at the end of the thing, she's like, your husband has to be a winner. 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:23:29 
He has to be so supportive of you for you to come do this. And you're gonna do great things. Like you put yourself out there and you did the dang thing and I was like I I didn't know how much I would appreciate that now as I like then I think I kind of blew it off but now honestly it was that's where everything shifted for me because you see those posts online about well if I get to go to Italy I'll get my crap together but you people don't have to go to Italy to get their crap together. 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:24:03 
Not that I'm downplaying going to Italy, because yes, you're in a whole new culture and everything is just different there. And it is definitely a learning experience. And I highly encourage everyone to go to Europe or go if you have the chance, 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:24:19 
because it is very eye-opening. And not only were my thoughts about food changed, but how I saw how they used agriculture over there also changed, like my mind around it changed and everything shifted for me. The biggest thing with food that changed for me was 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:24:39 
they don't view things as nutritional value, they view things about the people they're with, the experiences they're going through, or the conversation that happened during that time. They also talk about the aromas, the flavors, like how things paired together. And that causes you to slow down and acknowledge how your body and you are 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:25:03 
feeling when you go through those things. And they would sit and have a meal for two hours. But it's all because they know how to slow down and have those fun conversations and gatherings still and they do that every night it's not like a once a month thing it's like an every night thing it's a different way of living than it is here but we used to be that way that is where I would love to help people shift back to that because it 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:25:35 
made me feel so much better, like I just felt better as when I was over there, but that is why people post those things on social media that I need to go there to get this experience. No, you can bring some of those things home and you can experience that joy and being present with your friends and family, just like you would in Italy. You can bring that stuff home. We just have to make it a priority or be intentional about it. That's what we want to do for ourselves and our families.  

Morgan Hart 

How are you using social media today to kind of 

Morgan Hart 
0:26:11 
help change the image on how you talk about food and share your story? 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:26:19 
So I primarily use Instagram. The funny thing is I've been there since 2012 when it came out, but I never really jumped on the Twitter trend or anything. I just have always loved Instagram, which I actually have a photography business on the side because I'm multi-passionate. I love a.g., I love pictures, and I love food. 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:26:44 
So just all these things that really don't all match together or blend together, but I think that's ultimately why I have always loved Instagram is it started as pictures. So I have really started using Instagram as I do some reels and as well as posts. And I just, whatever comes to my mind during that day that I feel like needs to be said, I put it out there. Because every single step of how I've gotten here, it's because I put myself out there. 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:27:18 
Without putting yourself out there, you're not taking that step to move forward. 

Morgan Hart 
0:27:22 
Most definitely. 

Morgan Hart 
0:27:23 
And I think that's how you find opportunities and just, you know, find the next thing. 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:27:30 
Well, so.. 

Morgan Hart 

Is you have to be willing to be vulnerable.  

Kourtney Talkington 

Yes, you have to be vulnerable. Even if it's not vulnerable with somebody else, but being vulnerable with yourself, which like I said, nobody wants to feel the ick. But if you're ready to take that first step, and you might not even think you need to take that first step, which I'm hoping that even with this program or my program that you might not want to get vulnerable and sit down and be in 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:27:58 
like set an intention for yourself. But hopefully by the end of the program, you can think, ‘Well, that girl has the same thing as me, and she's putting herself out there, and she's being vulnerable. Maybe if I try it, I can start seeing those same things that she's experiencing.’. And I feel like when you have a group of people that understand that and taking those first steps, really big change happens.  

Morgan Hart 

Well, I really appreciate you sharing your story with us this week on Coffee in the Barn. How can people find you on Instagram, or sign up for your class? 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:28:37 
So I have a link in my bio. So you'll have to go to my Instagram, but it's @ or it's kourtney.talkington on Instagram. Sorry for the dot but somebody already had taken my name on Instagram surprisingly because Kourtney of the K kind of just you know but that's how you find me on Instagram as well I think you're gonna link it in the show notes too, maybe? 

Morgan Hart 

 Yep, for sure. Well, we like to 

Morgan Hart 
0:29:06 
leave our audience with an action item for the week. Do you have an action item you can share with our audience this week? 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:29:16 
I would say 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:29:17 
be or set an intention for yourself, or set something or write something down that pushes you to grow. Because like I said, without and I'm not even saying go and tell your mom or go and tell your best friend that you're doing this. You can just do it for yourself. Do this tiny thing for yourself, even as a mom. This will take like 15 minutes, 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:29:49 
even if you're out on your morning walk, if that's what you enjoy, because I know I do. Think about it, and even if it doesn't come to you right away, just pause and slow down and think for a minute, what do I need for myself? If we don't nourish ourselves, we're not going to be able to nourish the people around us. 

Morgan Hart 
0:30:08 
That is great advice, and I need to do more of that myself. Hopefully once I'm on maternity leave and maybe slowing down a little bit, we'll see with two other kids running around at home if I can, you know, be a little bit more intentional on, you know, making sure I'm prioritizing myself 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:30:27 
or at least taking that walk once a day. Even if I can't do it in the morning because I am not the biggest morning person, I am currently working on that. But even if it's at night, it still works. And enjoy the sunset, enjoy the sunrise. 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:30:43 
Like that is my biggest thing. I just want to go outside and enjoy myself and give myself a few minutes to think because I feel like we just get told that we need to be doing all the things when honestly we can say hell no we do not. We need to take a break and breathe. Yeah, just breathe and take time for yourself 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:31:03 
because like I said if we can't take time for ourselves we're not doing, we're doing our family a disservice.  

Morgan Hart 

All right with that thank you very much, Kourtney, for joining us this week. 

Morgan Hart 
0:31:14 
And yeah, I think that's it. Thank you. 

Kourtney Talkington 
0:31:17 
Yes, I'm so glad that I could help you out this week.